This “Russia Did It” hysteria is the dumbest, most illogical and poorly sourced shit I have seen since the Iraq war

And remember how that crap worked out, right?

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Younger or older; black, Hispanic, Asian or white; richer or poorer; from here or there; educated more or less; left or right; gay or straight or something else: none of the regular ways we break up the human community into categories seems to matter on some political topics, such as this election, as much as from where you get your information.

If you think of the New York Times as the paper of record, or if you are inclined to accept that if someone is a senator or famous journalist they are unlikely to spout nonsense, or that some blogger has little credibility because s/he is just Some Guy, then you might think that this “Russia Did It!” line is significant.

“Top Republicans must reject the ridiculous notion that a national election can be ‘rigged.’“

— New York Times Editorial Board, Oct. 18th, 2016

If you accept that Wikileaks has published 10 million documents and all of them are absolutely authentic, exactly what they claim they are, raw true data, that there can be such a thing as an elite manufacturing (or trying to) consensus, that who owns the media has a lot to do with what the media reports, if you believe your own eyes when you see a hack in progress, if you hold the New York Times accountable for their false reporting on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq in 2002 and 2003, if you think Jeff Bezos might have bought the Washington Post not so much because he thought it was likely to be profitable but because he wanted to have a tool of political influence, same with Univision and its owner, then you are probably not likely to think that Russia has jack to do with the outcome of this election.

Now, presidential candidates do conspire with foreign powers to rig American elections, also know as treason. In 1968, Richard Nixon committed treason to sabotage peace negotiations in Vietnam. In 1980, Jimmy Carter offered Iran $150 million in US spare parts in exchange for the release of the embassy hostages prior to the election. Iran rejected the offer and instead released the hostages after Reagan took office for no payment, then in 1983 the Iran-Contra scandal emerged. If there is a logical reason for Iran to take no deal over a good deal, I haven’t heard it. Sounds like more treason to me.

Trump (or his people) may well have had contact with Putin (or his people) and they may have discussed ways to work together. That would be wrong, and possibly treason, although Russia is not holding our citizens as hostages as did Iran and we are not in a state of war with Russia as we were with Vietnam when Nixon made his dirty deal.

I would guess that if the corporate media and the corporate political parties have anything beyond Wikileaks they might have evidence of some kind of contact between Trump and Putin. That’s a guess, as elites have not presented the public with a coherent story as to HOW Putin could have helped Trump win, other than through Wikileaks and maybe Guccifer 2.0. If there is more to the story, they have to release it.

Corporate media/DNC/RNC never mentions this. You don’t have to automatically accept this version of how the DNC emails got on Wikileaks (it’s not called Wikihacks, after all) but any credible journalist should mention Craig Murray.

Any story that fails to address Murray’s story is propaganda (“fake news”). No one else has come forward with a more compelling story, certainly no anonymous CIA source.

When the media and the crony politicians circulated their talking points, they told people to say “put thumb on the scale.” That phrase comes up as much as “power through” did when Hillary collapsed on 9/11/16 from “pneumonia.”

If you read Wikileaks, you know that the media and the political staffs of corporate politicians do in fact hang out together, share story ideas and talking points, and get money from oligarchs. How do you think “fake news” all of a sudden became a thing? But you don’t even need evidence (Wikileaks) to see through this bullshit.

The Observer, the Intercept, Truthdig, Democracy Now, TYT, Wikileaks, some right wing news sources, and some MSM: a basket of sources and some logic should do the trick if you want to figure out what is likely to be true and what is unlikely to be true.

It is absolutely and positively true that Hillary Clinton cheated in both the primary and general election. Perhaps the clearest case of cheating has to do with coordination between PACs and the campaign. Maybe Trump broke this rule too, but Hillary definitely did.

Like I said, treason can lead to foreign powers picking our president. Letting our enemies pick our president is a tradition. When Nixon and Reagan did their dirty deals, it was pretty obvious how they planned to treason their ways into the white house. If peace had broken out in 1968, the Democrats would have won. If Carter had welcomed the hostages home in triumph, he would have won in 1980.

If Trump hadn’t called Putin (if he did), or if Guccifer 2.0 hadn’t released a couple of documents that no one paid much attention to (since Wikileaks didn’t have anything to do with Putin), Hillary still would have lost if she never visited Wisconsin, took Michigan for granted, and had no appeal in rural Pennsylvania counties that went for Obama twice.

This year, there is no mechanism for Putin to cheat for Trump, unlike 1980 or 1968, even if they wanted to. I thought it was Comey that cost Hillary the election, or Jill Stein. No? Now it’s Wikileaks? Putin? It can’t be both Wikileaks and Putin, so Democrats should pick one to blame and not pretend they are related, or if they want to link the two, then they have to debunk Craig Murray. Any other mechanism? Hacking election machines? How? Where? Are we throwing the bad machines away now? I hope so, if that’s what happened.

Bernie Sanders was robbed of the nomination. How? Because Hillary cheated as follows: 1) picked the order of states voting; 2) coordinated illegally with her SUPER PACs; 3) cheated in the debate schedule and had the questions in advance; 4) worked with compliant election officials to kick people off the rolls in Brooklyn; 5) closed polling stations in Arizona; 6) bused people in from out of state in Nevada; 7) worked with the corporate media and the DNC to black out Bernie’s campaign; 8) used the superdelegate system to imply she had already won to discourage people from voting or finding out more about Bernie; 9) paid off 33 state parties with bribes in August 2015 to keep other candidates from running. You see, real mechanisms, based on real evidence.

Let’s compare:

Bernie was robbed

Charge: cheating in the primary

Perpetrators: SUPER PACS, HRC campaign, DNC, corporate media listed by name

Evidence: leaked emails from reliable source

Mechanism: creating narratives in media to discourage voters, making it difficult for new voters to register and vote, skewing media coverage of campaign with hidden debates, an election calendar creating false momentum story, unlimited money and free media available to one side but not the other, specific and targeted election fraud in key states, key counties, at key moments

Result: bad primary, party divided, lost general election

Russia did it

Charge: “thumb on the scale” to skew results in some way

Perpetrators: Putin, maybe through Guccifer 2.0 or some other sources not including Wikileaks

Evidence: unnamed sources providing information to unreliable publications, proved to have a pro-Hillary bias in Wikileaks, like the New York Times and Washington Post

Mechanism: not clearly stated

Result: whatever Russia did, it only worked in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania because in Texas and California, Hilary exceeded expectations

If logic and evidence had anything to do with what our elite media and elected corporate politicians talked about… well, we probably wouldn’t be living in a country with raging inequality, absurd health care system, decaying infrastructure, substandard and expensive education, we wouldn’t have a “rust belt”…

It would be nice to live in Democracy.

Like chickens with their heads cut off, corporate Democrats keep on clucking and running around in circles. Can’t wait for them to die out.

By the way, the CIA has interfered in at least 117 elections (including murdering the winner, of course, if that counts).

FBI MSM CIA DNC HRC all say Russia did it. I say WTF is still waiting for evidence.