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rawdownloadcloneembedreportprint text 4.84 KB Recent events in sponge: Dark-Arcana was forcefully removed from the project and censored by Blood over discourse Sibomots resigned: See http://pastebin.com/kzJMsD2Y (original: http://sibomots.com/resign.html) IRC Logs: http://pastebin.com/mpXsreU2 Reminder: Sponge is meant to be an open project. My interpretation of events: Blood desperately wants to remain in control of the project even when other people stepped up to fill the duty’s he couldn’t (to his credit he has a child to look after). Of note Blood has been stirring the pot: (This is <Dark-Arcana> sibomots is the best. Too bad it came to this. <blood_> Dark-Arcana you should be mad at yourself since you caused the issue to begin with <Dark-Arcana> Oh I did/ Sibotmots was not only a valued developer he was also pushing towards having a Sponge LLC as a way of protecting its members from legal issues as well as to act as a front to pay for services needed (rainy day fund, server fees etc) Dark-Arcana was instrumental in getting Sponge off the ground as well as starting the Doc's and Ore project (plugin repo) Blood constantly insults other members <blood|laptop> if you do not trust me with domain rights <blood|laptop> you should leave Sponge <blood|laptop> simple as that <Zidane> I'm not understanding why this keeps being brought up -><blood|laptop> idiots who do not trust -><blood|laptop> and probably the same who are talking shit <blood|laptop> ok it has come to my attention that there are still certain members talking nonsense about higher ups such as myself <blood|laptop> i will be holding on to our domain -><blood|laptop> as i do not trust childs play However Dark-Arcana is not fully without fault <Dark-Arcana> This is my/our project. <Dark-Arcana> Considering I helped found this project, I think I should have some decision in who is in charge. <Dark-Arcana> No, we aren't done until he realizes that he's only a leader because others allow him to be a leader. This also extends beyond my logs. Essentially Blood has become LexManos 2.0 using threats and censorship to control a community at the same time doesn't want to hold himself to the same standards that everyone else has to be. What was worse was that other people did not speak up on the issue, the only reason why I did not myself was for fear of censorship Sponge has some incredibly skilled (Gabizou, Mumfrey etc) and dedicated(Inscrutable, Dark-Arcana etc) but its 'leadership' is bringing it down. At this point I am unsure if I want to continue with my role in the project with Blood in a leadership position especially when this is how we handle internal issues. To be clear I only have issues with how Blood interacts with the staff, everyone else in my view is in good standing even if I find some of their actions disappointing If you can't devote the time needed to a project like this you should not be in a leadership position Update 1: <progwml6> i'm really really tempted to ban him though at this point for being a fucking 2 year old And yet people who where relativity inactive(for whatever reason) suddenly start doing things only when this event happened, the only people being childish here are those not attempting to sort the problem and are instead taking the high ground with the 'I'm right you're wrong' attitude Update 2: <Zidane> kenzierocks, Aaron1011 it was purely Dark's actions and his choices to not only railroad over other members in the projects "calling them useless" or declaring people like b.lood "do nothing" and insisting that he should be a leader. Bullshit, the issue was a childish dispute. He was a leader, he got the community together as well as Doc's and Ore started. See update 1 Apparently its just fine to completely discredit the work someone has done <blood|laptop> because some people believed he was a "founder" probably which was completely false Unless the founders are literally only Blood and SK he _is_ a founder whether blood like's it or not. As far as I am aware blood was the one who brought him on Update 3: <Zidane> Well its about damage control as he'll try to get people to sympathize with him. <Hobbits|away> or any sort of admin access to any of them? <modwizcode> I had a chat with him, he told me he would have no part in revenge. So I doubt he'll suddenly do something now <mbaxter> He already deleted several things from the share and then openly mocked the staff's IRC handling <Hobbits|away> or the docs sites? or the githubs <mbaxter> no part in revenge, but certainly petty <Zidane> no offence modwizcode but his word means nothing <Zidane> It really hits home...I defended him yesterday...I took up for him. Before people ask I am doing this as a matter of principle not because of my relationship with Dark-Arcana, this probably seems petty but I cannot figure out a better way to get my point across. Update 4: http://pastebin.com/ZRG2i4sv

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Recent events in sponge: Dark-Arcana was forcefully removed from the project and censored by Blood over discourse Sibomots resigned: See http://pastebin.com/kzJMsD2Y (original: http://sibomots.com/resign.html) IRC Logs: http://pastebin.com/mpXsreU2 Reminder: Sponge is meant to be an open project. My interpretation of events: Blood desperately wants to remain in control of the project even when other people stepped up to fill the duty’s he couldn’t (to his credit he has a child to look after). Of note Blood has been stirring the pot: (This is <Dark-Arcana> sibomots is the best. Too bad it came to this. <blood_> Dark-Arcana you should be mad at yourself since you caused the issue to begin with <Dark-Arcana> Oh I did/ Sibotmots was not only a valued developer he was also pushing towards having a Sponge LLC as a way of protecting its members from legal issues as well as to act as a front to pay for services needed (rainy day fund, server fees etc) Dark-Arcana was instrumental in getting Sponge off the ground as well as starting the Doc's and Ore project (plugin repo) Blood constantly insults other members <blood|laptop> if you do not trust me with domain rights <blood|laptop> you should leave Sponge <blood|laptop> simple as that <Zidane> I'm not understanding why this keeps being brought up -><blood|laptop> idiots who do not trust -><blood|laptop> and probably the same who are talking shit <blood|laptop> ok it has come to my attention that there are still certain members talking nonsense about higher ups such as myself <blood|laptop> i will be holding on to our domain -><blood|laptop> as i do not trust childs play However Dark-Arcana is not fully without fault <Dark-Arcana> This is my/our project. <Dark-Arcana> Considering I helped found this project, I think I should have some decision in who is in charge. <Dark-Arcana> No, we aren't done until he realizes that he's only a leader because others allow him to be a leader. This also extends beyond my logs. Essentially Blood has become LexManos 2.0 using threats and censorship to control a community at the same time doesn't want to hold himself to the same standards that everyone else has to be. What was worse was that other people did not speak up on the issue, the only reason why I did not myself was for fear of censorship Sponge has some incredibly skilled (Gabizou, Mumfrey etc) and dedicated(Inscrutable, Dark-Arcana etc) but its 'leadership' is bringing it down. At this point I am unsure if I want to continue with my role in the project with Blood in a leadership position especially when this is how we handle internal issues. To be clear I only have issues with how Blood interacts with the staff, everyone else in my view is in good standing even if I find some of their actions disappointing If you can't devote the time needed to a project like this you should not be in a leadership position Update 1: <progwml6> i'm really really tempted to ban him though at this point for being a fucking 2 year old And yet people who where relativity inactive(for whatever reason) suddenly start doing things only when this event happened, the only people being childish here are those not attempting to sort the problem and are instead taking the high ground with the 'I'm right you're wrong' attitude Update 2: <Zidane> kenzierocks, Aaron1011 it was purely Dark's actions and his choices to not only railroad over other members in the projects "calling them useless" or declaring people like b.lood "do nothing" and insisting that he should be a leader. Bullshit, the issue was a childish dispute. He was a leader, he got the community together as well as Doc's and Ore started. See update 1 Apparently its just fine to completely discredit the work someone has done <blood|laptop> because some people believed he was a "founder" probably which was completely false Unless the founders are literally only Blood and SK he _is_ a founder whether blood like's it or not. As far as I am aware blood was the one who brought him on Update 3: <Zidane> Well its about damage control as he'll try to get people to sympathize with him. <Hobbits|away> or any sort of admin access to any of them? <modwizcode> I had a chat with him, he told me he would have no part in revenge. So I doubt he'll suddenly do something now <mbaxter> He already deleted several things from the share and then openly mocked the staff's IRC handling <Hobbits|away> or the docs sites? or the githubs <mbaxter> no part in revenge, but certainly petty <Zidane> no offence modwizcode but his word means nothing <Zidane> It really hits home...I defended him yesterday...I took up for him. Before people ask I am doing this as a matter of principle not because of my relationship with Dark-Arcana, this probably seems petty but I cannot figure out a better way to get my point across. Update 4: http://pastebin.com/ZRG2i4sv