For anyone following this thread who also owns (or plans or is interested in) a Cloud, thought it might interest you how I rigged my Cloud HydraTube to work with my Q. I guess you could call this a "poor man's Cloud".I've had wondered how the Q would work directly connected to a zero-drag glass piece vs using the whip, and also how that would compare apples-to-apples with the Cloud. I've seen the Q used upside down with an adapter but that's awkward. Here's a pic of the marriage plus a close-up of the bowl setup and connection. A straight 18x18mm male/male adapter fits into the top of the Cyclone and the female bottom of the HT.The stock Arizer elbow screen fit nicely into the adapter joint, so I elbow-packed. Good thing too, because with herb at the bottom of the Cyclone with a second screen on top of the load, didn't work well - too much free airflow (using an empty elbow-screen like a stock Q setup improved that a little, but herb got stuck up around the joint and it was kinda messy). The elbow-pack worked reasonably well though: I ordinarily don't like the elbow-pack with the whip because of the heavy drag. With this set-up the drag of the whip is eliminatedthe path is the diameter of the elbow-screen (.45") rather than being reduced to .2" like with the Arizer glass elbow which makes for a bigger hit. The HT pulls and diffuses beautifully, so from a hitting perspective I like thisbetter than my default Q setup (whip + inline bubbler).An unexpected difference was with the hot spot we get in the elbow-pack. I'd always presumed that the small diameter of the spot was due to the narrow hot air flow up thru the Q's heater. And so putting the elbow closer (~5") to the heater this way would if anything make the spot even tighter. Not so. There was no hot spot, although I could tell that a small band of the herb just around the perimeter of the screen was not getting quite as much heat. So still needed one quick stir. With the elbow closer I also could reduce the heat setting a bit, with 170C seeming to be closest to the Cloud's 10 o'clock.Bottom line, pulling thru a Q elbow-pack is still probably about 2x the drag pulling thru an equal size load in the Cloud mostly because the Cloud's airflow is so effortless. And the Q just doesn't have the performance or efficiency of the Cloud. I really like the Q, but IMHO the Cloud is just a different class machine. Of course, it's also 2x the price, too. I'm very happy I have both! The Cloud is my daily driver; it shines in every way. At the same time, I can use the Q alongside also with an HT, I'll still use the Q with the bag for group sessions, and now with the HT it's an even better back-up.For anyone shopping a vape, I still enthusiastically recommend the Cloud as first choice. But if the price will always be too much for the budget, or the balloon capability is a must have, the Q mated with a VapeXhale HydraTube (when it becomes available for sale separately) makes for a nice alternative.