Transcript for Go inside Marvel's climactic 'Secret Empire' finale

Hello and welcome to inside marble from ABC news digital it's the show where we talk about all things going on a marvel universe big show today I'm your host Walt sticky today we're joined by marvel editor in chief Axel Alonso has gallant. Good thanks ABC news's Mike Rothman. And Al remotely we have the man the myth the legend the author of the conflict and the entire secret empire run and the other to DC today that we are talking about secret empire in a written expensive regular nick. It's an absolutely so it's been it's been a months long process we we've seen one of the most consequential stories. About Captain America. Like two wanna take us through what goes down in this last Exelixis everybody out before it did an expensive that the most relieved man in the country right now. Sleeping very well I think gradually as their friend. It's. It's a conclusion that the album there will be spoilers by the way well as if spoiler. I was little they gonna come which is now that a lot of people will look at what happened in this entire run. But yet the the disguising night to try to fight Captain America who basically has 90% of Q. Cat easily basically takes them down because he's got the power for god I love the thing and it's time and it's in the from the peninsula and the context Captain America has taken over the United States of America for hydra. I could not an issue is leading up yet zoo. Essentially is controlled being like dripping with an iron fist and then animal that's what kind of came together and we see this -- it's been it's been all power vs democracy it's been like we're to make this a better country because we're gonna just basically just. Change it in through Hydro. And yet did the club with a very. Smart plan to. Take the key about get the classic Steve Rogers back and involves ant man involves his best friend Bucky and in the end the class a cap is back. It's very exciting and we're gonna see we go from here but the good guys prevailed in a hail Mary pass than any Ariane. Making it tells a little bit about this last minute play games we see these three characters that are really like Captain America Steve Rogers you see Bucky Barnes. And NEC's Hamels and and these history have been like Iconix as a as a group for years. How did this kind of come together towards the end will Wear it again habitats. I mean we knew from the star that we really wanted you know whatever our whatever our our species could eat here. We wanted it be based around these three guys and this friendship. You know particular with the copy Cuban but you know we loved the call back. You get to the winter soldier from baton and you know but he being the one terrorist Steve Baird. And obviously this whole story is really in sand story. You know it's really been about is beatable his Captain America. You know his success in uniting the euros to take on I accurate he did after everything C lost in. So you know making sure that the east you guys were you know four. Rescue me he didn't turning the tide the that was that was really important. So axle this is a story that involve the whole marvel universe this beautiful spreads in this book again looking at least that's all the characters that are involved. How was it coordinating. All of its huge effort from the whole world. Well that that felt my editors primarily Tom's report you know nick pitched us the story. Some point two years ago. That had Captain America you know a superhero dressed in red white and blue who stands for you know all the best of American virtue. Being re wired. To believed that he could actually make the world a better place few fascism. And we thought it was amazing and it was that point we encouraged him to scale it up and detergent to deceive them. We've known we're gonna land for some while. We've we've sailed through a storm. I'm really happy to land I don't think any of us you you know we begin dealing this two page spread. Of you know Steve Rogers. Back in the red white and blue clobbering his fascist counterpart. At a time in our history where we're heavily examining. What it means the American what what America stands for. All right so for those view watching don't be afraid to shoot in messages on FaceBook any questions that you have for the creators of the secret empire. Book the whole run leading tire robbery numbers we've gotten so my only sending your questions and we'll get to them later on in the show. I want to talk a little bit about again this state to create splashy spread that you all had. The art of this run has been absolutely incredible nick what's been light kind of cracking this book with these artists. It has really been my favorite part of this is who work with. Unity so many of my favorite artists and you know certainly on this issue with steamy nude and who isn't ass. Legend and just you know I'll actor artists that that. You that was the real thrill for me you know but also Leno you and you Sorin Tina and Daniel Acuna. Rock rice. Just you know aids so many others you know chipped in a lot away and city eighty. There are the real thrill for me it is you know and we putting together a roster of artists. I couldn't believe how lucky I got we. Really. That's what makes the story line up. We do what the payoff though so the two page spread I love that there was one of the big enduring questions throughout this whole series was. Captain America wielding mall near you say it's much better and I the only meal there. Nike recently we asked. And you know -- follow his footsteps and follow follow him because of this everyone kept wondering what how did he do this. And in that suitcase for there's a big payoff. Also even a bigger payoff that the the classic cat is worthy and ethically clockers and with mold you there. And at it was a such a great I don't know the question there are such a great book and to look at big moment in this. If you just walk us through how this work that this finale right again you have these iconic moments with a hammer you have this this group of acute. Mechanically how did you get to this story. Kids you know bringing in the hammer really early united quantity you know. First things about even that I Saturday that it pitched in the you know I really firm felt it needed to do it. Appellate we need that's sort contest did not ease. Unity that we needed to seat to ideology faceoff and we needed. Find a way to get clear is as loudly. And he's Bakley is possible. You know we we in the run and added that that occurred so great that you only so hurry up. In the eight that is the current urgency. Wait you know I I also have to get a lot of credit. Aaron. You know who is the who's currently reading the lord and what -- the editor and they were incredibly generous. You know in letting you use it here is letting you letting it be such foundational aspect of our story you know win the free call days story it. And you know you've had a terrific moment. Hi pat picking up every note we really want him back. To symbolize he noted that fight was over unit that the war was over his season started in and units and it's the kind it. You know put that era's after loyalists in one image. And I think we succeeded here people were really horrified and really care. NC beauty yet to come back around. A few months later. You know he he uses part of the victory uses the big thing that signals that the ears of one. You knew that. Visitors were important story. And this I am ready get to that all the references that folks who are reading this missed it really can't previous month's marvel just little bit but. One of the great moments from the side its again the similarities to the civil war image and just kind of seeing these two different actress come together. How did you kind of mind the really rich history of marvel to define its. Well I wanted to make sure it fits. Unit this story. As Capri and suddenly is hot. Reminded. You know what what made Steve Rogers agree what makes manner it's important. Yet to vote the marvel universe and to us the audience. And so you know when he would especially be. Call back in the biggest moments in the air its history. Similar is certainly one day soon and United States showing that imagery in here. Isn't really about showing these theory. You know showing how he never gives up in the face of adversity you know showing how he stands what he believes in and I think it. You know that Amy Hughes does has become iconic because you know it's just reach or an. We're that. Yeah a lot of folks updates for commenting about that specifics I get to criticize your questions. Axel Obama brought us out of being an elite he told us earlier that this is only story that you could tell kept there. What's this place and assist explicitly rivers. Well you know Captain America is. One of the oldest and an easily the most trusted and respected superhero. In the marvel universe. He's dressed in red white and blue you know which comes within enormous responsibility he's he's supposed to stand for. Everything that's good about America and he hats and you know what what we did was we came up with a mechanism when they did he came with a mechanism we can take that Steve Rogers. And have him re wire to actually buying into a completely different approach and platform. But one that he actually believed. Would make America a better place and indeed the world a better place this wasn't Captain America I'm twisting his mustache caught the pleading. His own financial were his game this was Captain America really believing he could do something good that through. Very different means and ten and through very different ideology. And then than we've ever seen him with the four. I'm and that for us that was the guts of the story as nick said. The story there were other essential character than ingredients the story couldn't be told without Sam Wilson. The story could be told that talking your links to Steve history and you know as we've already said you know we needed no selling on the use of being on there. Up in this story. It was a really pull an artifact to to say loud and clear. One side of this argument is right. So many. I have a question for you spent so much time it is character Steve Rogers. What you learned about him over the course of the year's eve spent writing him. The folks around at what what new did you learn from this care. I think the biggest thing that a unit that you you know go lenient but. Over the earth and stories to still may use is what these character means that people. You know obviously you know because of the things that we did L record deal on the empire. You really you hear from a lot closer obviously there's and they're scared you know they're worried about this air there. Any unity tell you their stories they tell you why is there there needs so much it and then you know how this character inspires. You know how this character. You know and help them in their own lives. And you know so to constantly be reminded. You know. You think you know going it but. It's it's Cox's sorts in the basement need nature's just how hard it reaches just you know Powell. How important here is through a lot of Eagles you know since leads and in the country and in your values and you know Sosa that certainly. With a big thing that I learned you know any terms that if you today picture here. Meet the best the best these stories are really about is not indomitable spirit that day that and it refusal to give up Enid. And it insistence on. All we heating back up when you get punched in. Unit that that served very well in this story because obviously you we we put Steve and end all of the years. And all of marvel universe. Either through struggle it's. You know. Daunting uses eighty meter race. I want to move into really fun so graduate rob we get questions yet as a quickly essay on the flip side of that. What it was lights to write the inspiring story of Sam Wilson here because. He really you know as inspiring as Captain America has been over the years. I think Sam kind of resembled that in a smaller. More micro form throughout the series and see Nicky said this is kind of like his story. And that was great to see him kind of step up. When when you know the main guy was basically on the other side where where's that gun with Sam listen these days. I mean it pilot study I I have always viewed this this in story in this you know you really couldn't have done this and there is that it. Or what it's worth is is absolutely they have they're really can hammers that point all. He you know. If any in the course it's simplistic manner he and we put back there so much you know on his side you know kind of the the the fact that so many people and marvel universe that. Ever refuse to accept him. As Captain America and and had her problems with in his best in America. You know and the struggles that he's faced as a result that. You threw her hands you know he'd hear his journey she never hurt for him to a you know five at Easton and find that resolution in. Fund victory Nissen in eagle lawn. To turn the tide. You know he really. The Euro this story you know without saying I'm the heroes never come back together. Eight yarder you don't go in free EEE humid can't get the last he cracked it means that never see. Between speed is never that none of that happens. Unless. Unless and makes that decision unless they have put you back cooks could cost him back on. And holes that Sheila if you really used the deciding factor in story. So I want to hear all about half. How all these records is that you that you put into this fantastic book again you've got. The civil war shattered he's got the call aptitude Captain America and sadness you've got all those newspapers that the rewritten heidrick history and rewritten heidrick DC even Lincoln memorials and what all those are. The book in hand we're all this come from men acting you walk us through what some folks might have missed on first street there. Yeah Ian Chris vote blues. Newspaper headline that it's. You know the hiker reenact it more accurate that they were thrown by even basic crop land. An affinity anything that's it behind me for. And it and you got an obvious that we homage. You know the class moment from from infinity gauntlet. You know a little bit later in the issue but. You know I Steve. I Bruschi. Has been dreamy. What this what the world would look like once the fetus you know this is all he's really thought about. You know east is is how he could reach eight. The country in the world. In hikers and so. Tape to get to show that her UK is you know you know it is actual moment to see. You know there those blue Lincoln Memorial. You know replaced with I think Newton incidences cedar reflecting cool change to let go local with not Thomas. And zero issue in yes he did sell here is reenact his height. Unity indeed Turkey pages. You know that it was is but finally he. Do it is one of the great one excellent it's actually the media cannot defeat it's incredible aunt and nick you see you're ready to write a full series. I'm an alternate universe it under heighten our right and certain annex. Well I think it Beckett Wednesday that I definitely wanted to give us the Ito needed expenses once you World Cup facts you wouldn't and you know this day but I did exactly the Lydia. And you know what happens that this guy is a different way and you know kudos hopefully someday we we get a chance to show a little more. You know does. Axle and this remaking of this were again this is a university even taking taking care of it's it's great to kind of see marvel universe which is one got to define what a squabbles between the good guys. Like being rewritten to be like now we're all one unit for suppose a like Tennessee this universe completely real race. Well it did occur to me that might be some stories to tell. Like the rest of your right yet to receive the pitch but I'm certainly open to it. I don't like nick said it's it's a fascinating world there's lots of nukes and crannies to explore and this probably you know metaphors yet to be found in the world so. I'm open to it. That's up right. I'll talk a lot about the making of this story is can you imagine what two years ago this got to experience something like that nick nick humor but the exact timeline. It was it's like. February 2015. Abilene is like it was fair in. It was pitched as a Captain America story initially to his editor Tom reward and talking to mean we spoke. And I encourage you guys to check it out and turn into something larger to bring into the room and that's what we did and that's when it became in the event. We've had Thomas and a lot of smitten the editors of the on the on several occasions and just hearing how this gets made. It's a race against time it seems but it's also like you keep everything he got all the I's cross all the t.'s. The proposal it working into the schedule with with the response from the fans in the audience what what was it like kind of deal and if all all the back going on. Well I didn't look at these things are enormous undertakings. In and I look yet again you know and friends which we. We writers who'd done it before. Unit so I you know I knew at least ET that's taking a week this is actually get beat the most aggressively hit. Marvelous. Today it you know we did twelve if he's in about four months and so you know and all of the numbers so. It is eight you know it really huge. Task and and you know that the the workload with pretty daunting. But you know I'm really proud that he delivers an on time he has finished releases really finish. Unit that is something that's very important to all of a sudden and you know I'm I'm enormous crowd that I I don't they're really. Top free board and a lot of knit. Desert you know deserve the praise for that and certainly. All of the amazing artists involved who really work nights or weekends words you know worked overnight. Lost a lot of sleep. You know Katie he's he's done especially is I would you know attorney its super surprised when he cages and they were 36. You know I have. Is that there's a true. And that's the truth when it gets I don't think it was literally ten regular sized issues right not a bit like that put. But again we had more room to tell the story and I think that that ultimately what I hope. He's dead. Now everybody can step back and look at this. As a full body. This is a story people. So when you think of this story because you have to write something for for a depressed day McConnell greater some recognized that deep also you want this to hold down. Yeah absolutely you want and any big stir you tell you what any story you tell quite frankly you're you're goal to make it a perennial. And you know within you've had. You know the pressure's higher you know. Nick has been in the pressure cooker I think. It'll probably in the muse nick that there probably one or two people out there were harassing me social media think you Richard Spencer. Ready captive audience happens you know. Ron Ron Spencer Ron Spencer oh yeah it's you can imagine. But if you know again the goal here it is tell the big story an important story that has something to say that's timeless this is a timeless story this was written. You know well in advance of of anything's going on in the world right now in either the beats you one right now and done and I think it's gonna hold up. You know decades from now. You. Kind of answered it but I was and ask as far as how good is field heading into the future of marvel universe as we spoke before the city's kick start. And number use telling me specifically saying let the story play out and people you know people obviously when when they're that there's this Chinese hero in the world. Goss wrote people you know are our tariff fried is that they're beacon of hope and I love that you had the confidence that no wait wait to looked all over. And how good is it now for formal UN nick. Moving into the future and to this kind of you know this new unified mobile universe. Well. If it took less guts and you imagine because we knew the story was then. And and I did it we went into the story knowing. Well we were gonna land and the general architecture historian nick nick nick came with it almost fully formed. We beat up a little been in the room with nick mills and yes because it's integrated universe lot of moving parts there was stuck nick could get the stuff could to make it work. You know luckily gotten on her. And and we we landed where we did you know what's nice is that I feel like we have I think we have a you know an important work that's being completed. It's reposition Captain America for the future. It goes without saying that. You know it's gonna start the next chapter in Steve Rogers life it's the start the next chapter in shambles and life. And for what of the characters in the moral universe you know for Steve Rogers you know he has a lot to. To atone for whether or not he actually did what was done he he has some soul searching to do and I think it's safe to say he's gonna have to slowly getting back the confidence of the people. That he represents that if he stands for. And and I think that's going to be the fascinating next chapter for that character. And beyond. It's interesting that eight you have to be careful about taking it while focusing on social media in real time into account speaking of which from social media will question from Kevin. This really leads us well into our next point which is what Christie's turn mean for Sam Wilson going forward we want to talk about this universe don't fart. Knit unit is at that and anything in the world what's happened in San movement forward. Yeah you get some some big developments on that front in our generation what or practice. You know which is really all about stand and where use you know where we're at. And something really important happens the sand that day that unit entities perspective on some things. But you know like a king. Features a secret empire this is about giving Sam. You know a huge win as Captain America business this is about. You know making sure it fits. You know he. You know he had. Major victory. You know in that role. And now you know he's east ease about it it'd take on a period he. Ducks want to reiterate very quickly that. We couldn't have told the story without Steve Rogers but Steve blow up the bill that's news that Sam and others were the heroes it wasn't until Steve. Was returned and picked up an honor that he actually played a role in in in that Cushing growth what east east. The bill and what about the other villains that actually became villains much like Steve who is his his riady was altered. The publishers was then yes the words was there out of here with a collaborator he had the collaborators are really important I mean. Nick axe I'd love to hear about that we for because they they they walked eight. Consciously followed this will both storage vehicle until. Nick. Yeah. You know certainly. You know these terms it the punish sure you know we're gonna. The little bit you know might let that secret empire America. In it when it's the a little bit. You know I'm Mack truck. You know and certainly it is worth well the lower. And you know. It was certainly working. Under duress. And it is reasons and earned an aunt card game eight you know it's it's certainly going to be you know me. Or Britain again. Oh listens during I wonder what have spent states. Of the dead folks. Celtic people and that and dance for what you did so we've lost but whether it and we've lost. Rick talents just a contact her for three years admirable. What it's like kind of look in those stories and aid into seeing them reach the end of this story potentially. You know it he. We knew we need to look here here is usually thinking like the things you hear you're you're you're CEO and others are you thinking of it is. The story becomes an Afghan and you know over the course that this we have we have quite a bit. You know. On some fronts I say you know is taking interesting things are coming in an attic cases let's say. You know break up Kleenex. Unit and they are. I'm more you know we won this third ever consequences and and real losses and you need some of those boats you know that's. That's the ruling that Stuart. Yeah follow like axle want to let it kill those people. What took some convincing us that them from. Six does the team the two biggest the consequences are real sense it's not enough to got wiped away look like there were things are fixed to some degree but. It's happened it. And a lot of people still like it was easiest recipient of the story the government background and had people signed papers that there have been fine that the government must act. They look like they're still severe consequences what happened here. Yeah absolutely knew that was really important to us from the game today. You know. We wanted to make sure that this is very simple and you you know changing reality. You know we wanted to make sure that there wasn't a reset button is heated consumer. Real and lasting repercussions. Of all that is so. Yeah and he knew there's there's a lot. You know things that are going to be followed up and more readers the mosque the cop. I thought it was really Clinton is again Kobe being a person with feelings that allows the limited nuance in what you would do it like that really you can't have a never again if it didn't happen and so that that's really one way to kind of address this and very head on. Move forward on a talk a little bit about the current book that generations but that are out now at the Pathmark and that was coming up we'll let us. Axel looks looks overlook some sort of well generations. His is a series of of stories one shots. That flows out of the third acted on the third act the secret empire. And what it allows as it takes some of our younger characters. Bothell Alice embodies Joan Marie Williams. And it sends them into the vanishing point the same place Steve Rogers will. Where they're allowed to have a real and unique experience of their counterpart with you know miles computer at a at a key sticking their development. And what it is as it provides sort of clues as to where those characters hearts are and where what wolves they're gonna travel in the future. So all of them we've he was being sort of essential reading for anyone to wants to have a clue as to where. What what the plan it's you know is the marvel universe can be big enough for more X 23. Who's been serving as Wolverine. To coexist in a world that look at come back to you if we were in fact he claimed to do that. You know is the world big enough for Bruce Banner and amity if Joseph. If we're going to do that how do you Sam Wilson and Steve Rogers co exist you know these are the questions moving forward. In the legacy there this is now starting in October over several months. We challenge all of our creators to. Start stories that. That dig deep into sort of the vaults in the mine in mind the jams in and morals history. The stories. That most influenced you the characters heroes and villains artifacts and infinity and a the story lines you know the Phoenix that inspired you and made you excited about being the column why did you like the war to begin exactly find those stories and excavate some aspect to them some Jen. And telling you story moving forward story that could be accessible obviously exciting to the old fan. But accessible to the new fan you know whether you have. You know five long boxes in your closet or you picking global comparable for the first time you should love this comic book and so. That's that was the goal that's that's we laid if whatever creators. And the all came back with stories that we think are worthy of that so over the next few months. You can look for that roll out. In the legs here. If you are he had right now and I know pocketbooks they're the ones that look at (%expletive) as well as in if you forthcoming. You've got there's Captain America won by. Some hotshot kid it makes sense. It he you're reading a book on this one what we look forward to in that. I needed I'm not mom I'm not it is a whole lot about. Let you know I'm. Excited about about war it's certainly going to be looked at a lot of work. I'm keep on it. All right that's totally reasonable so I think we're kind of coming to an end of this folks it's been a huge journey. Six one loosen questioned how aids. Neck in this might be addressed and Omega. There is an evil Captain America lying face down and the nation's capital. Blue is he still there is he dead but we see him again to scary yes. Seagate environment. I'm just very happy that you didn't estimate the choir master that ones all here and we sat down with a it's so well being are. Getting series race. Yes what that's. A whole running monthly so I want to thank everybody for watching everybody her reading. NIC thank you so much for coming on Axl might this is that are really really fun journey. We'll back looking at Omega and also you've got the start where spokesman of the veto ones that were also looking at here on inside marble. Thanks everyone for digging in we'll see against him I don't want to keep. And I.

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