Editor’s note: There are two possibilities here. Either this podcast was part of the elaborate architecture of a dream and doesn’t exist at this level of reality, or Christopher Nolan’s publicist asked us to remove it because we set up the interview for print publication only. Here’s a hint: If the top falls over, it’s the second thing.

When Wired set out to create an infographic explaining Inception, we discovered that — though we spent months talking theory about the movie — we didn’t possess quite enough information to make a complete chart. But it’s Wired: We don’t accept holes in our infographics.

Storyboard Podcast:

Episode 36 https://downloads.wired.com/podcasts/assets/Storyboard/Storyboard_036.mp3

So articles editor Robert Capps did what journalists do best, and went straight to the source. In this case, the source was notoriously press-reluctant, well-respected director Christopher Nolan.

Those who read the resulting Q&A (“Christopher Nolan on Dreams, Architecture and Ambiguity,” featured in our December issue) know they experienced just a snippet of the conversation.

In this bonus Storyboard podcast, our regular host, Adam Rogers, takes a backseat to Capps and Nolan — and delivers you a belated holiday gift. Full of film theory, architecture talk and conspiracy chatter, this discussion between Capps and Nolan is an Inception fanboy’s dream … or is it his reality … or is it a dream?

Wait for the top to stop spinning, or just listen to the podcast and find out.