I have more work to do on individual post pages and on the archives. The archives will continue to employ a table for the calendar.

This means that my front page (under development) can be valid HTML5 and yet have absolutely no div or span elements, no inline style or class attributes, and no table or img elements used purely for layout purposes.

While Ryan , James , and Mark have been pursing a minimalist design from a presentation perspective, I’ve been quietly pursuing a minimalist design from a markup perspective. I’m not sure when it changed, but Firefox 3.0, Safari 3.1.1, and Opera 9.5 now all support units of em in SVG dimensions.

Tue 24 Jun 2008

Wed 25 Jun 2008

With any sort of luck, Safari will soon fix whatever issue is causing the search box to render strangely. Posted by website design at 02:07

i’m proud to be far ahead of the curve with a site that has no images other than a favicon: [link] the goal - a site that looks practically identical in elinks as firefox Posted by b7j0c at 02:43

With any sort of luck, Safari will soon fix whatever issue is causing the search box to render strangely. I found a workaround... -webkit-border-radius apparently must be after -khtml-border-radius , and there are effective upper bounds which I can only determine via experimentation. I’ve yet to find any support for CSS border radius in Opera. Posted by Sam Ruby at 03:29

I’ve already done this :(

I emailed you to tell you about it.

My CSS is much more serious [link] Posted by Kroc Camen at 08:01

Kroc: don’t see email, but the site looks nice. One validation error, however. Posted by Sam Ruby at 12:25

Firefox 3 has two different zoom modes. The default “zoom everything” mode, and the optional View->Zoom->Zoom Text Only. Try the Zoom Text Only option on your front page. I’m curious if you find that result surprising? Posted by Kevin H at 13:45

Apparently Firefox doesn’t consider SVG to be text. As I’m unclear as to what the use case is for “Zoom Text Only”, I can’t say I’m surprised, but as SVG graphics in general (and my svg icons in specific) tend not to be textual, I don’t see anything wrong with their choice as applied to my site. Posted by Sam Ruby at 14:03

I guess I should have specified, “try Zoom Text Only on rails.intertwingly.net/blog/ as compared to www.intertwingly.net/blog/”. On your current home page, the SVG icons zoom in relation to the text. On your experimental one, they do not. When you said that Firefox 3 now supports em units for SVG, the only reason I could imagine that would be important is if you want your images to scale along with the text. So I tried it, and I was surprised that they did not, in fact, scale along with the text. So now I’m left wondering what the point behind em units on the SVG is? I also wonder if this is a bug, because if you put an <img> tag on a page with style="width:1em;height:1em" and zoom text only, the image will resize accordingly. So seemingly em units on SVG do not behave like em units on other elements. Posted by Kevin H at 14:16

So now I’m left wondering what the point behind em units on the SVG is? Now I see your point. It used to be the behavior of Mozilla that if you specified your SVG dimensions using absolute dimensions that your images would not scale. Now it appears that whether the dimensions are specified in text size relative or absolute pixels no longer is relevant to whether or not the image scales. Posted by Sam Ruby at 14:40

It used to be the behavior of Mozilla that if you specified your SVG dimensions using absolute dimensions that your images would not scale. Yep, that’s the legacy behavior that is being supported by “Zoom Text Only”. There was serious consideration given to not even preserving the legacy behavior in the browser, and I wouldn’t be surprised if a future version sees it removed. I thought that Mozilla was last to the party on this, and that IE7, Opera, and Safari all do full-page zoom by default already. But I could be wrong about Opera and/or Safari. If they do, however, then I suppose em sizing in general will become a thing of the past? Posted by Kevin H at 15:32

It would be nice if you could convert the remaining PNG images to SVG as well. Perhaps even using data: urls to minimize the number of requests. Posted by Sjoerd Visscher at 16:09

As I’m unclear as to what the use case is for “Zoom Text Only” I run at a default text zoom of 120%, text-only. NoSquint was a blessing to me so seeing this natively in Fx3 was great. I spend too much time reading on the web to be squinting all the time, in particular on sites with poor contrast. I’ve never yet wanted to zoom an image. Posted by Phil Wilson at 16:33

It would be nice if you could convert the remaining PNG images to SVG as well. Perhaps even using data: urls to minimize the number of requests. It is unclear to me how to reference of SVG images within CSS, either inline or by reference. Got any pointers? I’ve never yet wanted to zoom an image. While Kevin’s point is still valid, I would think that this sentiment would also apply to my images. Posted by Sam Ruby at 16:37

@Kroc: That’s a nice looking site. Between the beta homepage here and that site, I think we have some excellent real-world html5 examples on our hands. I didn’t realize that html5 was that close to being ready from prime-time consumption. Posted by Scott Johnson at 22:07

Thu 26 Jun 2008

I’ve back-ported most of these changes to my main (Python-based) site. People may need to refresh to get the latest CSS. Posted by Sam Ruby at 02:04

in Kroc’s site: <h2>The Principles <em>of</em> Camen Design:</h2> I don’t see why the word “of” is em’d here, other than to use a different font than the rest of the title. I think a span is appropriate here. Posted by hdh at 03:28

@hdh: the “of” is to be pronounced slowly. It is emphasised in order for you to pause before and after the “of”. Because it is a title, it should be concisely and carefully pronounced. The em is exactly the kind of stress modulation I wanted there; it is both a typographical highlight, and translates to the same effect in speech. Posted by Kroc Camen at 07:13

html5 minimalista This means that my front page (under development) can be valid HTML5 and yet have absolutely no div or span elements, no inline style or class attributes, and no table or img elements used purely for layout purposes. — Minimalist Markup,... Excerpt from Tiempo finito y logarítmico at 15:47

It is unclear to me how to reference of SVG images within CSS, either inline or by reference. Got any pointers? As any other image: background-image: url("image.svg"); However you’ll probably need background-size also, that may be not available (it’s -o-background-size for Opera 9.50). Posted by Haruka aka Seremel at 16:39

As any other image: background-image: url("image.svg") Appears to work on Safari 3.1.2 and Opera 9.50. Does not appear to work on Firefox 3.0. As the latter is the browser I tend to use, that’s kinda important to me. Posted by Sam Ruby at 17:17

Slightly off topic but while talking about browser capability, your date localization JavaScript works on Opera 9.5x for OSX but does not work with 9.5x on Windows. It doesn’t throw any errors so not sure what is happening but dates displayed as “6/24/2008 7:10:50 PM”. Posted by Michael Payne at 17:31

Does not appear to work on Firefox 3.0. It will be around Firefox 3.1 or so I heard... Posted by Haruka aka Seremel at 17:36

your date localization JavaScript works on Opera 9.5x for OSX but does not work with 9.5x on Windows. It doesn’t throw any errors so not sure what is happening but dates displayed as “6/24/2008 7:10:50 PM”. As the time of this post was 2008-06-24T23:10:50Z, I can surmise that you are viewing a localized version of the date, specifically EDT. This is accomplished using toLocaleString which formats a time “using the operating system’s locale’s conventions”. Posted by Sam Ruby at 19:43

Fri 27 Jun 2008

Firefox 3, day 10: security flaw 2, more banks, looking for a new browser Well, I was hoping to get Yet Another Blog Reorg done before posting this, but it just hasn’t happened, so here are a few more thoughts on Firefox 3 on this ol' blog. In fact, I’ll probably finish the FF3 series here before I switch over. I was in... Excerpt from MJR's slef-reflections at 20:17

Sat 28 Jun 2008

MJ Ray: Firefox 3, day 10: security flaw 2, more banks, looking for a new browser Well, I was hoping to get Yet Another Blog Reorg done before posting this, but it just hasn’t happened, so here are a few more thoughts on Firefox 3 on this ol' blog. In fact, I’ll probably finish the FF3 series here before I switch over. I was in... Excerpt from Planet ALUG at 05:16

Thu 10 Jul 2008

More Minimalistic Markup Continuing my minimalist markup quest, I’ve converted posts to be valid HTML5. The overall structure is correct, but individual comments may only be well-formed but may contain deviations from validity. Most posts will have no... [more]



Trackback from Sam Ruby at 04:37

Newly Re/Un-Designed If you haven’t visited my site recently, I’ve redesigned, or undesigned as the case may be, stripping out as much as I could, dropping background images, etc, following in the minimalism of Mark and Ryan , though I doubt I’ll ever get around to... Excerpt from BitWorking | Joe Gregorio at 15:49

Fri 11 Jul 2008

Minimālisms Izskatās, ka ir radusies jauna interesanta tendence tiem, kam nav, ko darīt - bloga minimālistisks noformējums, minimālistisks interfeiss, minimālistisks kods un principā minimāli nepieciešamā funkcionalitāte. Šai sakarā ir trīs cilvēku raksti,... Excerpt from ļāūņš ļāčīš at 06:15

Wed 06 Aug 2008

Minimalist Markup, now text/html Compatible Bug 311366 is resolved in Firefox 3.0.1. It may, in fact, have been fixed earlier; but my initial testing was flawed. Thanks go out to Anne van Kesteren and James Graham for spotting the problem that was preventing me from see... [more]



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Thu 11 Dec 2008