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GrauGeist Consul

Joined: September 21st, 2012, 3:38 am

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Location: USA! Re: Concern about miniature quality Rinion wrote:



http://www.puttyandpaint.com/projects/1862 Always knew Zineda was pretty bad around the hips! Always had plans to fix her to be a bit better!



Oh, that's very nice. I like how much more dynamic it is compared to the basic pose. Oh, that's very nice. I like how much more dynamic it is compared to the basic pose.

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May 29th, 2014, 8:47 pm

Ender101 Denizen

Joined: August 8th, 2012, 2:39 am

Posts: 428

Location: Virginia Re: Concern about miniature quality Noh is like the one faction I'm not getting my paws on (maybe later on, who knows), but her sculpt does look like it would require conversion for me to field it. I'm not super talented when it comes to putty, but I think I'd have to give a go of helping that hip find the rest of the body haha. That conversion you and Haus were talking about Rinion is amazing!



Overall though, out of all the entire line of models so far I've only had two complaints, Haaaaarker! *shake fist* and now Zineda.

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May 29th, 2014, 8:50 pm

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Joined: March 12th, 2012, 11:27 pm

Posts: 759 Re: Concern about miniature quality



I wish I had more stuff for you... I want my models!





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As requested closer picsI wish I had more stuff for you... I want my models!

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Ace Ninja Corps

Joined: November 23rd, 2012, 1:44 am

Posts: 666

Location: College station, TX Re: Concern about miniature quality Yaaaaaaay pictures!



Overalls I'm really pleased, but some of those, models DID seem to lose some quality in the transition. Like the poor cerci, their faces are supposed to be smooth but I don't hardly even see a mouth on Marie Claude or the pit crew, although their tools and the royal wrecker loot great.



Black diamond corp, the plastic makes their armor look a little warped as opposed to nice and crisp. Have to see how it paints up. Magnus looks greaaaaat.



Doctrine. Delphine looks fine, and those novitiates... Well. Even though its my chosen faction I may be using academy guard quite often anyway. Hope that gap isn't too bad on Ehkis though...



Noh, just wonderful, they transitioned perfectly, wow.



Shattered sword, same boat!

Same with the corsairs! Still not a fan of harker's pose, but the plastic actually seemed to improve him. Somehow.



Bottom line: this plastic is just bad, but it's what we've got. Still, excited to see those pics!





May 29th, 2014, 11:02 pm

David Minion

Joined: September 20th, 2012, 7:55 pm

Posts: 201 Re: Concern about miniature quality The tank best demonstrates my main critique of the new models. The material is just too soft with detail (as Ace pointed out) and things that should be sharp, crisp, easily identified demarcations tend blur together. I'm sure some of that is the color of the plastic under that lighting and painting them up will help put detail into focus.



Overall, I'd have to rate the models as satisfactory. Some are very pleasant -- the Noh line in particular looks great -- and I hope going forward that all models will be up to or surpass that standard.



Thanks for the update, Deke. Looking forward to getting these in the mail!





May 29th, 2014, 11:08 pm

Rinion Minion

Joined: August 17th, 2012, 8:10 am

Posts: 144 Re: Concern about miniature quality Thanks for the pics!



Some of them came out pretty well, mainly the Noh it seems. Unfortunately, some are just appalling! Like, the worst! Poor Marie Claude has basically zero detail, especially after having seen the 3D render of her with lots of pattern on her armour, gun, and hair. The mechanic has some weird alien face, or lack thereof. Its just heartbreaking to see!



All those Doctrine Novitiates have bad detail (i find their actual design lacking, but each to their own there).



Shattered Sword stuff seems okay for the most part too, baring some odd poses on the troopers.



On the plus side, the Star Nebula troopers seem to have mostly come out unscathed, possible exception is the guy firing the cannon, but only because of the cavernous mouth...



As mentioned, the materiel is a bit soft, and it shows, echos my initial concerns when the choice of material and factory was named. (As mentioned, almost all of Privateer Press' plastic minis suffer the same problems, and are generally regarded as inferior and lacking detail. So the problems with detail loss is partly the poor quality of the factory that made them, and there was probably no turning back once production began. Though I'm not sure how some of these passed initial QA (time frame pressure, perhaps?)



They arent all bad, for sure! Main fixes i'll be looking into will be head-swaps where possible. Also not to discredit the sculptors in any way, the guy who did Marie Claude in particular does a lot of Kingdom Death stuff.



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May 29th, 2014, 11:14 pm

David Minion

Joined: September 20th, 2012, 7:55 pm

Posts: 201 Re: Concern about miniature quality Rinion wrote: Poor Marie Claude has basically zero detail, especially after having seen the 3D render of her with lots of pattern on her armour, gun, and hair. The mechanic has some weird alien face, or lack thereof. Its just heartbreaking to see!



You're not supposed to notice she has a face. That was your mistake. You're not supposed to notice she has a face. That wasmistake.





May 29th, 2014, 11:16 pm

GrauGeist Consul

Joined: September 21st, 2012, 3:38 am

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Location: USA! Re: Concern about miniature quality Thanks for the pictures.



Note that the plastic appears to be slightly translucent, so that gives the appearance of softness over something truly opaque.



Can someone shoot one of the models with grey primer, so that people can see the true shape without the translucency?

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May 29th, 2014, 11:26 pm

Neilzebub Bottle Cap

Joined: March 11th, 2014, 4:19 am

Posts: 37 Re: Concern about miniature quality Thanks for the pics. Noh Empire are looking nice. +1 vote for grey primer pics.



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May 29th, 2014, 11:54 pm

Edwars Ninja Corps

Joined: March 16th, 2014, 11:48 am

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Location: Melbourne, Australia Re: Concern about miniature quality I am joing the call for grey primer pics. The bright light and light plastic do make he details hard to see.



But is that because they a rye hard to see, or just not there?



In particular, the more feminine models faces seem to little more than heads with eyes. Can those with the models (ie Deke, or others at Soda Pop) comment on this apparent lack of detail?



The larger (N'oh) and less human (constructs) models seem to have come through this process with a fidelity to their original designs detail. But, only time and models will tell how the rest of the range progresses.

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May 30th, 2014, 1:13 am

rayphoton Minion

Joined: May 16th, 2012, 9:06 am

Posts: 106 Re: Concern about miniature quality Corsair stuff looks like it did well in translation as well. The Marie Claude id a bit....bland. Be interesting to see a good paint up of her. A very good paint up. Nice to know that if you truly hate any of the sculpts...you can proxy anima tactics stuff in.





May 30th, 2014, 1:59 am

SerenityValley Bottle Cap

Joined: December 9th, 2013, 5:04 am

Posts: 47

Location: Darwin, Australia Re: Concern about miniature quality maybe it will look a bit better when painted now I am disappointed in Cmonmaybe it will look a bit better when painted





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Hydraphobe Bottle Cap

Joined: March 10th, 2014, 5:26 pm

Posts: 17 Re: Concern about miniature quality I wouldn't go as far as saying she lookss awesome. An improvement but some serious work on the face will be needed by any painter. Really not cool considering she is a starter box hero that newbies are going to be faced with.

I'd be expecting a re tooling of her in the near future.





May 30th, 2014, 2:40 am

Valander Minion

Joined: March 14th, 2012, 3:38 am

Posts: 53

Location: Seattle, WA Re: Concern about miniature quality Pride365 wrote:



https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 487&type=1 MC looks awesome painted!

Not actually the same model, though. The painted one shown there is an early test model, not the final blob pictured above.



Can't say I'm terribly happy with the pictures shown. Not worth the year delay "for quality." Not actually the same model, though. The painted one shown there is an early test model, not the final blob pictured above.Can't say I'm terribly happy with the pictures shown. Not worth the year delay "for quality."





May 30th, 2014, 2:42 am